High School Hoops

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FTN watched first half of a scrimmage up in Midsville that featured NCAA D2 Northwood vs NJCAA D2 Lansing Community College. Both teams worked and subbed their benches about equal, but the half time score was 41-41. Now FTN says Lansing CC didn't look at good as Lansing CC last year. No big name impact players like last year, just a lot of good hardnosed kids playing some tight ball. But going toe to toe hanging with Northwood is pretty impressive. Northwood opens up vs MSU Nov 4th FTN thinks. Interesting!

Put that into the mix with things like Henry Ford CC easily handling NAIA D2 Madonna U by about 20 in a half viewed, and it looks like an interesting year for JuCo.

FTN has said Michigan's blessed with a great JuCO league, one that's a solid mix of NCAA/NAIA D1/D2/D3 players. Frankly it would not surprise FTN is some of the top JuCo teams could a lot of the GLIAC/WHAC/etc. teams, and even beat a few of the MAC and Horizon D1 teams, and even then give some Big Ten teams some serious upset ish competition.

Scouts need to check out some JuCo games using the JuCo schedule here:

http://www.mccaa.org/mbktballsched.htm

No Question!

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Are you freaking kidding me??? MI Juco bball is one of the worst regions in the nation..... with the exception of Mott there is rarely a scholarship calibur player.... Mott beats most competition by 20-30 points..... and Mott will be a very average D I JUCO....

beat GLIAC schools??? funny


beat MAC and Horizon schools... have you lost your mind? do you understand the jump in talent...let alone strength training and preparation by coaching staffs....

MI JC kids repeatedly can't even earn walk-on spots with D I and good D IIs..... this is way way off...

MI JC is much more comparable to NAIA Division 1/2 level....

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.... you need to step into NOW a bit more. Your facts are all wrong, and you're talkin' out your a$$ with no factual basis, and so sound like an idiot. Flint LOST in the JuCo tourney championships to no scholarship Henry Ford CC last year. Flint Mott also lost during the season as FTN recalls, at least to Oakland CC. MI JuCo's had four or five teams ranked nationally during the year, including Mott at #3, Oakland at #9, Glenn Oaks at #20ish, Kellogg CC at and Grand Rapids CC and Lansing CC at #25ish. MOST JuCo games last year where very competitive and very close in score, and wins went back and forth. Henry Ford was never ranked nationally last year to give you an indication of just how good the MI JuCo scene was. You need to come with some facts before you spit out your silly BS!!

Lots of D1/D2/D3 talent. In fact the Northwood team FTN reported on above had 3 or so guys from the past JuCo ranks on it's team. Two where from Henry Ford in fact. At the top end, Ohio State's starting PG was from Mott a couple years ago. This year promises to be much the same, with a lot of good teams and a lot of good talent. For instance 6'7" PF Renaldo Wallace at Henry Ford has got to be a sure thing for a D1 program or college scouts and coaching aren't doing their job. Three other guys on HFCC's team, Knott, Moon and Simmons, are all D2 at least if not D1. Plenty of other fellas on other teams to boot!

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.. FTN posted a post a while ago from a guy who tracks JuCo placement to D1 only, and it shows a very high percentage of D1 players come from JuCo. Something like 300+ from D1 JuCos and 70 ish from D2 JuCos, and a couple dozen from D3 JuCos. HFCC in practicality is a D3 JuCo since it does not offer scholarships. Although there's no real good stats on D2 JuCo's going to D2/D3/NAIA, FTN nosed around a bit and figured that of the six guys on average MI JuCo who graduate from a JuCo team, typically 5 of them move on, w/ 1 to D1, 1-2 to NCAA D2, 2-3 to NAIA D2 and the rest to D3/etc. programs. Now according to talks with the coaching at HFCC, noting HFCC isn't historically a powerhouse in the MI JuCo, they still place about 80% of their guys to go on in college ball. Again, D2 Northwood has two HFCC fellas on their squad, and a couple other JuCo fellas to boot! That's fellas anywhere from in the ranks of D1/D2/D3/ in both NAIA and NCAA. Get with the program!!

If I had to place a bet on whether Oakland, Flint Mott or HFCC would have beat say Toledo in the MAC or say Horizon's UoD or Valpo, I'd take the CC's, period. Come on now look at who's starring in the MAC and Horizon vs who's on the JuCo league teams! I like them all mind you but the D1ers starring aren't any great shakes above the JuCo fellas. Taylor Truman's Bowdry stars at Eastern, USA's Bitzer stars at CMU. etc. Etc. ETC! You're just out of touch!

[TJ]

MI. Jucos are D2 jucos. MI. jucos do have some future D1 talent but no where near what you'll find in FL, TX, KS, Iowa, or Nebraska.

Henry Ford has 5 players that should wind up on the D1 level. Mott has a handful of future D1 players. Jackson has a couple that have a shot, one for sure.

I don't know if there are more than 20 that will go D1 in MI.

I believe Matt is the D2 pre-season #5.

[TJ]

In Division 1 Iowa Western is the preseason #2 and they have Benton Harbor's Tyrone Black.

The preseason #1 in D2 is Iowa Lakes and they have Detroit Finney's Darryl Davis.

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... the D2's in Michigan are totally underscouted by college coaching and scouts. FTN Saw a whole lot of JuCo games last year and not many college scouts or coaches at allm most games not any. FTN don't believe the hype given the MI guys FTN has seen go to D1 JuCo out west and score beaucoup ppg and star where frankly they WOULD NOT score and star here in Michigan. Another thing is while D1 JuCos offer a bit more money AND things like housing, etc., local fellas still see that playing for their local D2 MI JuCo, getting tuition paid for an living at home, etc., is still better than going D1. FTN'd put the top teams of MI D2 JuCo against any top shelf D1 JuCo in the country as competitive and certainly would kick ass on most. There's a whole lot of talent in MI's JuCos from two basic feeds: 1) The D1/D2 fella who didn't qualify academics wise who's trying to get his stuff together, and 2) the D1/D2 talented fella who didn't play shoe company travel ball and never had a scout show up to his high school.

FaceIt, fellas, college coaching and scouts are creatures of habit and lazy as hell! They DO NOT go to different high schools to find new talent and check this talent out! They DO NOT go to non shoe company summer travel team action like state AAU or AYBT or YBOA or NAYS tournaments, where the MAJORITY of prep talent plays summer ball. They DO NOT go to the various summer leagues that are not high profile like Romulus such as maybe the Downriver Summer League or many other around the state. They DO NOT go to MI JuCo games! It makes no sense to go see the same high profile high school games or summer shoe company events time after time when MOST of the mid and lower level D1s and ALL of the D2/D3's stand no chance at getting the player they came to watch and are "scouting". Ridiculous, and FTN sees it all the time. Go to the Hoosier Shootout and watch knuckleheads waste time watching players they'll never have a shot at, or waste time talking to other coaches about their next job. BUT THEY DON'T SCOUT NEW TALENT that would help the program they are working for! SHAME!! Out of Love For The Game, FTN has seen far, Far, FAR more games and new talent than the scouts and college coaching that are paid to get up off their lazy ass to check this stuff out. FTN would bet dollars to donuts NO college coach in the State of Michigan at any level even has a list of all the State's All League players and All Area teams, which if FTN was some knucklehead college asst coach or scout's boss would be Question Number 1 as just his basic justification for their employment as starter! These college scouts and coaching are truly knuckleheads that know how to play a corrupt shoe company system, and play their boss. The corrupt shoe company system allows many, Many, MANY great impact players to fall through the cracks. SHAME on college coaching and scouts! SHAME!!

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TJ- Thank you for shedding some light on FacetheFactsIamaIdiot!


MI JC's are terrible... I did say except Mott, so you can take that out of your response... all teams are going to lose a game or 2 in regular season to someone they shouldn't...case in point Motts loses...

I would use players at a below average D2 like Northwood as a strong argument to your statement...

The only JC's worth a crap are in TX, FL, KS, and a few in Iowa and Oklahoma....

think what you want..... but you are wrong playa.... maybe some of the teams from the mighty mega could beat Toledo and Oakland too...who knows.

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BTW, MI and OH JC's are under scouted by by college scouts because there aren't any players!!!! They are Shi&(^!!! Face the facts!

No players = No scouts!

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.. TJ's numbers are even higher than FTN's number you knucklehead! Look, just because college scouts don't show up don't mean there's no talent. FTN put actual FACTS down about how many D1ers came from D1/D2/D3 JuCos. You're just pulling knucklehead monkeys out your a$$ and whining ridiculous! Sorry fella! Nobody's saying the amount of D2 JuCo fellas going to D1 is more in total than the D1 JuCo's going to D1, and nobody's saying ALL D2 JuCos are better than ALL D1 JuCos, FTN's just saying there's some real good mix of D1/D2/D3 talent in the Michigan JuCos, and that the top MI D2 JuCos are competitive with most of the D1 JuCos around the country. Lots and lots of fellas move on, and not only from Mott but frankly MOST of the MI JuCos.

Why don't you go see a few games first. Say watch Henry Ford vs Oakland or such. You'll be a whole lot smarter for watching, that's for sure!

[HOOPSAGENT]

oakland cc dosent get rankerd # 9 in the nation for D2s for no reason. i would say they have at least 5 D1 players easy. glen oaks was ranked high but they lost there star josh ikeulburger. FTN is right when he says MI has alot of D1 talent basketball players, but alot of times the players are not recruited how they should be.

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.. when you agree with FTN, that makes you right!

Bottom Line: Smart college scouts and coaching looking for talent to fill their rosters needs to take in a whole lot of Michigan JuCo league games this year!

[TJ]

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.. one that FTN has made a few times before. That is that the high school talent pool for 2008 and 2009 went downhill fast compared to 2004-7, which are the guys now playing in JuCo. There's absolutely no question the JuCo leagues are head and shoulders above the high schools as far as talent, and in particular ret-to-go talent. A lot of these JuCo fellas can step in and impact right away. They are proven commodities! The prep fellas are far more risky and may never prove out! College coaching would be foolish to recruit high school talent now over JuCo talent. If you took every all league team that's from the high schoolers that are going to play this year and next, they'd lose really bad to any of the JuCo teams! It was a no brainer last year, and it's a no brainer this year. JuCo is the way to go!

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The fact is there may be D-1 players on these Juco teams, but you must also have D-1 GRADES!!!!!! I,ll show you a lot of D-1 talent in the hood ages 18-22, but they did not have the D-1 grades!!!!!!!!

There had to be issues with thier academic standing that is why they go the Juco route, and if they dont make the grade then maybe they will become URBAN LEGENDS LIKE THE SO CALLED ALL AMERICAN FROM WYANDOTTE CHARLIE HUTSON!!!!!!

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